I'm not sure how many of you watched the Wings video on the whole Raw Instinct vs. Tmart thing, but in it he mentioned that Tmart only has about 4 days played on MW3. I don't know how many people watch youtube videos for tips(watch youtube vids in general), but do you think someone who makes tips and tricks videos as the backbone of their channel should have certain "credentials". I mean shouldn't they have put the time in the game to see how effective the tip they are giving is? Using Tmart as the example, shouldn't he put a good amount of time into this game seeing how often his lines of sights work, or how often one of his jumps/spots actually helps, etc.?

Just want to hear others opinion I guess.

not really. Most of his tips are either flag nades and stuff (which are always useful) or stats like claymore vs bouncing bettey and stuff. You dont need a lot of days for that. But there are tips that do need days played, like the best routs on a map etc.

If someone is just flat out stating stats in a "which gun is better" video then they usually miss gun quirks and general tips with the gun. Such as on paper the model being the best shotgun but in practice its a hitmarker machine. In general I don't pay too much attention to tip videos unless its a beastly player I'm subscribed to stating how he plays a map (it can be taken with a grain of salt though). With someone like t mart I don't really pay as much attention to, the lines of sight are hit and miss and I don't use grenades since I find c4 or semtexes more useful.

angel_of_death009 wrote:

On paper it's quite obvious that the Striker and USAS are better shotguns.

Most of the tips tart gives are already general knowledge to competitive players. As competitive players find these spots etc religiously, so if you want to learn tips and tricks quickly just sub to a competitive teams channel.

I believe TmarT plays on an account called BoorishAmoeba11, or something like that, as can be seen in most of his videos. Perhaps Wings only checked his time played on his TmarTn account?

I agree that the players who give tips and tricks should have a considerable amount of time played, and should be good at the game (Tmart is good), so that the viewercan be confident that said tip/trick is effective.

Like Dyer said a lot of Tmart's videos are general knowledge to competitive players, it could be that Tmart simply shares things that he sees in competitive players' livestreams (I know this was the case in Black Ops with many of his lines of sight videos).

In my opinion, tmatn only teaches bad players how to be worse players. Line of sights=head glitching.

cokito09 wrote:

Thats the most ridiculous thing i've read...


If they have a tip to share and it's good then anyone can share that tip no matter how much time is played. However a more reliable source of tips and tricks would come from a player with more time played.

AlbinoGibbon wrote:

I though this exact same thing when I was watching the video myself. I think he said he played on the BoorishAmoeba11 before the game was released to the public, so he could avoid getting his TmarTn account banned if punishments were put out. I'm sure he has a lot of time on that account too.

On topic, I don't think it matters about credentials. If you put out really good tips with little game time, it doesn't really matter to me. But I do think it takes a while to figure a lot of this stuff out, so less play time is going to make things more difficult.

As long as they know what they're talking about, and they aren't copy-pasting someone else's video, who cares?

mazzmoney wrote:
On paper the model 1887 has the highest max and min damage, the lowest drop off in damage over range in the shotgun category along with the longest range out of all the shotguns. On paper this sounds like a beast doesn't it?

cokito09 wrote:Cokito, you're a friend and all but why wouldn't you take advantage of cover and have a higher chance of winning a gunfight? Actually compared to mw2 maps mw3 maps are pretty flat with horrible easily flanked headglitch spots.

angel_of_death009 wrote:

It also has a small clip and a slow pump, making it bad when you encounter many players. Its not just the stats of 1 gun that count, but every gun in the game. The fact is, every gun in this game kills extremly fast, making Semi and Fully auto shotty better.

mazzmoney wrote:
Using your logic the striker would have been the most used shotgun in mw2, we know how that went.

Okay, this doesn't look like this is going to become anything, but I think both of you are missing what the other is trying to say.

Mazz, Angel is saying that if you look at the in-game stats of the Model it is the best.

Angel, Mazz is saying that others are better by how they actually perform in-game. Also, think of spammability(is this even a word, haha)

angel_of_death009 wrote:

Blame Sandy Ravage. He is honestly the only reason the Spas is so overused. I get what you're saying, but stat wise the Striker is better. Besides, the difference in range between the MW2 Spas and Striker vs the MW3 Model and Striker is a lot more.

David S. wrote:
Both of those were part of my original point. I was saying that a commentator just reading off stats would say something along the lines of "Judging by the stats the model is obviously the best shotgun in mw3" while just playing any decent amount of time in game would let you see they're obviously wrong. Which is why listening to someone like that is pointless since most of the tip givers don't play the game very much at all.

@mazz, the striker is actually untouched from the way it was back in mw2. Its the only shotty that didn't get a huge nerf stick thrown at it from mw2 to mw3. And secondly, people were using the spas a lot because it was a consistent OHKO for a good portion of its range and at the last edge you could snipe people at times. You don't need the ability to spam if you can get a ohko (also help people with good aim take on groups).

I've used a lot of Tmarts LOS before. Granted a lot of them I had found on my self. Typically if you play the maps enough and figure out typical routes (which unless you happen to play a group of players who completely go against the grain) everyone runs the same routes. Thus with people running the same routes,if you put in a lot of time You will learn where you can see that normal route from different areas.

Example. Bootleg. I've used his one Line of Sight (coming from the market by that little house) to look at the stairs coming into the back of the middle building to great success. But that also has the cement block pallets you can look over. You can use that little chicken coop and sit on the corner of it and see the stairs. Then you can look through the window or doorway of the building further back to the stairs. Granted his LOS allows you to see the entire platform if they come up over the wall but that has 4-5 possible LOS to it.
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Most Tip videos are only as effective as the person watching them can make them in game,then you've got to think of how good will the other team be,how will you be playing that day. Then you have to consider how often you can use it. Does it only work once in a game before the entire team knows you're doing it(if youre facing a party) or is it a team of really bad randoms who have short term memory loss and you can literally run there 9-10 times in a game and get 1-2 kills every time.
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All in all,I don't think you need any kind of "credentials" to really give a tip,granted I don't think you should give a tip without having some background on it. Because in reality I could make a video and say "If you lay down in the middle of the road on any street in Bakarra you have a great LOS to the end of it and you can get some kills from it...which could be true,but the chances are that'll get you more deaths then kills.