no ammount of bullshit would make you rage as much if the killstreaks were back to 3-5-7 and didn't impact the game so much.

what I do is; I set my streaks to uav, pred, cobra (or just use uav, cuav/vests) and getting DMH'd one of a heli doesn't even phase me, now the only problem is when I get up on those high streaks (at about 15+ the thought of my next killstreak comes into my head I think) and then the rage kicks in when I get shit upon by some death streak or crazy spawn.

In my ideal game everyone would have 3-5-7 with some different options for what those streaks were and then it would give you the old style killstreak messages like '15 kill streak' popping up or whatever, those were hella satisfying and no-one could ruin that for you by shooting you down with stingers or hiding in a building the whole time.

Unfortunately it would seem that the trend is for more and more elaborate killstreak options so I don't expect any return to 3-5-7 but I really do think the higher more game influencing streaks have a rpfound effect, both in the rage you feel when you get robbed of one and the fact that it causes people to camp for killstreaks.

Going for high killstreaks doesn't piss me off in this game (since I can usually get them anyway). I think the problem is when a certain killstreak becomes your be all end all goal because players consider it some huge accomplishment when you enter a game and that streak is difficult to get, such as the nuke or moab.

i usually try to run 3 5 7 so i dont get mad going on a 11 and dying to a guy in last stand.

if you were making a game strictly for just entertaining hardcore fans like us that wouldnt get bored as easily then yes, 3-5-7 is the best IMO. But if you are like any other company in the world and want to make money by appealing to the masses, 3-5-7 streaks year after year wont maximize profits. Basically, many hardcore fans want 3-5-7 back. But many of the people playing the game would want the next best thing from the next cod game, not the same 3-5-7 streaks. People like the feeling of getting an osprey gunner, or a nuke, or a moab. Its what makes the game fun for some people.

For me, it isn't really about how high of a killstreak I'm on. If I get killed by any BS, it pisses me off. If I know that I didn't deserve to die, it makes me mad. Sure it sucks getting killed by Final Stand one from a Pavelow, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck if the same thing happens on a two killstreak. BS is gonna happen no matter what. For every time that I've died one off a Pavelow from some sort of act of Infinity Ward's witchcraft, I've probably earned 5 Pavelows. There really isn't any reason to switch up my streaks. Then I can't get any Pavelows

As a follow up, I don't think the game would be as fun for me if the streaks were just 3-5-7 again, but I think people should go for killstreaks they can actually get instead of simply running high streaks for that lucky game they may get occassionally. In other words, if people stayed on their level they would avoid rage.

But really isn't the problem the stupid death streaks and stupid guns like FMG9s and Type 95s? I mean I just got 4 games in a row with 21/22/23/21 killstreaks and got killed by one of the above. High killstreaks don't really piss me off but it's the shit that happens that does.

same here. i literally think all death streaks should be permanently banned. (except for juiced or revenge since they don't do any lethal damage

I would rather just have no killstreaks at all than to go back to 3,5,7... If anything I wish 3 were moved to 15 kills, I am BEYOND sick of all the damn UAVS flying all over the place non stop.

xesmithx wrote:

Blame support not the fact its a 3 killstreak

I enjoy being able to choose from an array of Killstreaks, from 3 kills to 12.

The only reason people give for them going back to 3-5-7 is nostalgia.

welshboymick wrote:
I'll give it a shot.
NOTE: Any inb4s in this is not directed at welshboymick, but rather the mouthbreathers that I know lurk the forums and sometimes peek their head out to make an IQ-sappingly dumb post.

For me, it's because when it was 3-5-7 I personally saw less people viewing killstreaks as goals. People played to do well, don't get me wrong, but as they did not recycle (as in several killstreak cycles in one life) the killstreaks were a bonus - a reward. Yes, just like in "killstreak reward"!

Nowadays I see good and bad players alike play the game with killstreaks as their goal, a lot of people even preferring getting that osprey gunner over winning a match (inb4 "but that osprey helps me win the match!!", no it doesn't if it belongs to a player that has let the dom tickets become 70-175 in the enemy's favor by the time he calls it in). Proof? The people whining when their killstreaks are shot down instantly. It's the smart thing to do if an A.I controlled rape machine enters the airspace. (inb4 "how could I know I play in parties and spawntrap 24/7 i don't know what it's like to have air support called in on me" - well, then you should just not comment on this issue, perhaps?)

I'm by no means saying killstreaks aren't appealing to me - they are. But I personally think that anything stronger than an attack chopper is overkill and I've thought that since MW2 (inb4 "you just mad cuz you bad and can't get high KS every game like me" just get out, a monkey that just got a transorbital lobotomy can get high KS in CoD)

And I could mention more, like how the chance of high KS makes a lot of players equip all possible stealth perks from the start and frustrate many people [s]unable to not rely on their radar[/s] that way.

tl;dr I just want people to play the game and get killstreaks, not play the game to get killstreaks.

welshboymick wrote:

not really, I'm not saying it needs to be exactly like the old games, you could have choices, you could have 3-4-5 streaks, or 3-4-7 or different options of what your 3, 5, and 7 are or whatever, I just think the direction theyve gone with higher streaks and more perceived game influencing streaks cause a lot of annoyance and people camping for those streaks. As indefinatrix says, people play for the streaks, which is something I try hard not to do, but it still does influence the overall game.

the thing that gets me is that they know its the wrong way to go as well, which is why they nerfed the hell out of the assualt package compared to MWII streaks and tried to bring in the casual streak package with support, which is also a huge mistake, but it is an attempt to get rid of the horrible mistake they made in mwII making killstreaks the objective of the game. They just don't want to be seen removing 'features' or some shit.

On the note of FMG9s and type95; the FMGs are crazy I'll grant you but the t95? after they changed the hipfire close range performance of the gun I haven't really considered it to be OP. I mean it's stilla good gun but its not some kind of god gun. Rapidfire SMGs are where its at

Indefinatrix wrote:

JohnSnowstorm wrote:

Fair enough, but I don't think it's going to be achievable, not just from a marketing way. So many players play for KS right now that, even if they made the rewards considerably weaker, they're still going to do it. They will go out of their way to 'earn' the reward, rather than playing the game and being rewarded for playing it. Pointstreaks were a step to try and make things more a reward for playing the game, but you're still gonna get people who play for themselves.

What i'd say, which may be harsh, is if you want to go back to simple killstreaks, play CoD 4 or the the 3-5-7 playlist (is there one on MW3? There was on Blops). The players have changed and so has the killstreak set up nowadays; changing the killstreak set up in the new game would be meaningless since the players will still be the same.

lulz u 2 MAD cuz u cnt get hi streeckz lululul

Again like with perks simplicity is the answer. You don't need to make static killstreaks, but they shouldn't be gamebreaking or almost unavoidable (RC XD or the Predator).
They should be a little bonus to someone who is doing well. They shouldn't destroy the flow of a game.

Basically killstreaks, except for specialist, are pretty much the wrong way to reward someone. They force people to play a certain playstyle and/or force the player to use certain perks/equipment.

You are not being harsh at all, Welshboy. I'm fully aware that the closest to a 3-5-7 game that will probably ever happen is a half-dead playlist.

g0ggy wrote:
This is basically what I was trying to say in my little rant up there, summed up very well.

If the devs really want to change something they should reward players who are playing the objective and not those who make the kills.
I am waiting for the day that a game will implement such a function. I am talking about primarly rewards for objective play not just the ability to spawntrap the other team.

I completely agree with the objective based rewards as like in Dom I see some idiots beating me in Dom because they can camp at some unknown location and overtake me with a Reaper/AC130 flying over the air raping my whole team

Killstreaks are not the problem. Deathstreaks, Lag Compensation, and poor map design is the problem.

You forget to mention the really bad spawns on like every map(that's not the same as poor map dasign)

Here's hoping Treyarch bring back the 'classic' playlist for Black Ops 2 but add more game types into it. Much less frustrating.

I also hope they put that playlist at the top of the list of game types

The biggest problem with CoD I feel is the way the general populace plays it, this being that kills have become the standard for evaluating someones ability. As opposed to say Battlefield where I'd say points per minute is the key indicator.

I think the mismanagement of killstreaks has to take a lot of the blame for this gradual shift of mindset from CoD 4 to where we are with MW3. As g0ggy put it the rewards shouldn't alter the flow of the game let alone reach the point where they are many peoples main objective when playing the game.

@g0ggy I don't mind the Preds. if your inside your safe,

and Support is what made UAV annoying as hell(well for most people)
Which then I typically say stop playing domination since that seems to be where things like Bad spawns/UAV Spam/Stealth Bomber Spam seem to truly occur.

If you play TDM it is HIGHLY unlikely you see more then 2 stealth bombers in 1-2 hours of gaming. UAV is only a slight issue. Because most of the bad players who run support run high support streaks so they only get the UAV once the entire game.

I've gotten my UAV 3 times in one life just because of my 3-5-7 Loadout UAVs are easy to get even with the assault package for most decent players.

I also rarely lose a streak for a high kill streak(highest I ever go is AC-130/Pavelow due to a death streak,at least directly.

I've had times where the person drops into final stand and I was moving to the next target and go to shoot the final stand guy and get killed.

If it's a 1v1 situation and they fall into it,I'm fine,when there are multiple people and one of them drop into then I die because of it not from it.