Otter wrote:

I fully agree. Even the difference between a 60ms and 40ms ping can cause a win and loss. I have lost so many times to a sniper in CS just because he had a better connection that I just upgraded my internet to the most powerful you could get at the time I played CS:S. This example doesn't completly apply so much on consoles as reaction timing is way more "precise" when playing on a PC.

The problem with these weapons is that they are way to one dimensional as INFINITE already mentioned. You kill enemies extremely fast and all you have to do is being in the weapon's range. Not a big problem considering that most MW3 maps are based on close quarter gun fights, but even then these weapons can be very inconsistent and depend on a good connection as you already said.

It's not as if they are performing outside of what they should be doing. If anything they are performing less then what they should. But most people play this game very slow,so if someone is rushing around with a shotgun and besting them it causes them to be angry as if they should be rewarded because they are creeping around the map.

The shotgun is a rush around get into peoples faces weapon. Sometimes they are very effective,sometimes they aren't. I've played in the same lobby back to back with my 1887. Destroyed the first match (Dome) and then went to Mission,same lobby same teams,same connections and the 1887 starts taking 2-3 shots to kill people.

The striker can be spammed sure,but how is that any different then somebody running around with a steady aim pp90 him firing? Thing kills just as fast and far more consistently.MP7 is essentially an ACR with better hipfire and just as good long range killing abilities if not better.

My buddy over the Xbox has a private match (which basically makes everyone be on fantastic connections) where he's just quick scoping and no scoping, the hit detection and consistency of that is just stupid good. So maybe Lagcomp is a fantastic thing because if it wasn't for that QSing would completely dominate this game. Shotguns would act how they should.

MW2 had shotguns perfect. AA12 was a tad much,but the spas was perfect(if they were primaries) MW3 is so inconsistent I don't see why people will complain. And if you can't kill me by the time I get into range then it probably wouldn't have mattered what weapon I was using.

And if I happen to round a corner and catch you sitting in a spot and I 1 shot you with my 1887 from 15 ft away why do you think that for some reason you didn't deserve to die? People just feel as if they are obligated to not be killed by a shotgun.

When I start getting loads of hitmarkers with my my model or ksg I notice that I'm either host or the gsme is just trying to lag me down since I'm doing so well. Which is why if I start getting those hitmarkers I quit the lobby. Even the people I party up with notice something is wrong when I say I'm lagging when I know for damn sure I have the best connection in the lobby and everyone else is perfectly fine.

And that is the main problem. CoD often lacks the consistency and MW3 shows that perfectly with many things especially when it comes down to weapon balance.

Consistency is a gold standard as DRJ (friend of xcal) said.

If I ever want to have fun, i use shotguns. I just enjoy using them. People think that they are stupid to use since they are one-hit, but lets think about it. Shotguns are only a one-hit in their wheelhouse (1-10 feet from you) Shotguns are meant to be strong up close.

gopats850 wrote:

Even more to that point,(correct me if I'm wrong) Shotguns do not have any headshot multipliers. And I'm not sure if the damage of the shotgun is per pellet or per shot(someone feel free to mention that) So if we get a magical "headshot" sometimes(or for the most part) is at our disadvantage.I remember seeing someone post a video on YT on an AFK guy in which from 2 ft away he shot him 3 times in the head before he died. Came across him later shot him once in the chest and he died.

Obviously lag plays into any consistency but it's still annoying.

Otter wrote:
For the record, I'm a defender and lover of shotguns. It's just well known that instant kills are generally anti-fun and annoy a lot of people.

Add the mental maturity/capacity of the average CoD player and you get charming attempts at rationalization like "That gun is OP" or "you are a faggot!"

I still don't know any other way Shotguns could be done in CoD. Rapid fire SMG's make it questionable enough if they are even king in the range they are supposed to dominate, at times.

angel_of_death009 wrote:

Okay so if I was hitting him with 1 pellet every time I'd get hitmarkers right?

Beallos wrote:

The spread of buckshot from 2 ft away isn't even remotely big enough to only have 1 pellet hit the head.

This is COD logic not real logic. That really is exactly how the game is seeing it and why you can get 2-3 hitmarkers to the head.

angel_of_death009 wrote:

Lulz I didn't get any hitmarkers!! Nor did the guy flinch! I was just trolling with that video! That should of been a one shot kill with the first shot, you can't see it very well on the video but the cross hairs are red on every shot, which would suggest my shots are on target. But not even a hitmarker. I am sure it has something to do with the 'hit box' as I adjust my shot minutely on the final shot to get my one shot kill.

I have almost got all the shotguns gold and I've come across this several times, not just for headshots but full frontal body shots where no hitmarker is even registered, It's almost as though all the pellets disappear - the ranges I am talking about (like the video's) the pellets would not logically been able to hit anything else let alone miss or not even get a hitmarker! I would at least appreciate a hitmarker! But like you said it's Cod logic and if anybody ever makes sense of it they will be truly blessed!

In response to the OP - The fact is people will complain about everything if you are pushing their poop in - I've been called out for using the shotguns countless times, as annoying as they are to die by, I'd much rather take on a team of shotgun users than I would rapid fire SMG's. Learn to take abuse as a compliment, if you have pissed someone off enough that they are calling you out for using a shotgun, then good for you!!

The spas is alright but the AA-12 is just annoying. They made the range on USAS ridiculous. It's worse than the striker was

The usas is one of the worse shotguns at it's max range since it only does 7(?) Minimum damage, it has ome nice 1-2 hit ko range for a full auto shotty though. I can usually kill an aa12 guy with my model before he gets in range to kill me, if you're using an assault rifle or smg and got outplayed by an aa12 it really was your fault for letting him get that close and chances are he would have killed you anyway with another weapon.
@Beallos agreed, I know I'm doing something right when I keep hear rage killcams about the fucking shotgun =).

After the patch the USAS is the best shotgun for sure. The way the maps are set up over half your gunfights are close to low mid-range. Using shotguns are easy. I used one for the first time for a whole game and went 30-5 with the USAS it's not hard.

GUN - Ratio - Kills (total)
(KSG - 1,28 - 50)
1887 - 1,37 - 677
SPAS - 1,68 - 2519
USAS - 1,78 - 224 (post-patch - no Damage/Range)
AA12 - 1,88 - 563
Striker - 2,54 - 1412 (95% pre-patch)

As a reference:
MP7 - 2,56
ACR - 2,31
G36 - 2,47

If shotguns were OP, shouldn't I perform a lot better with them?
(I fully play to their strengths and use a MP9 Red Dot for long range engagements)

They don't understand what fun is.