key
- = immune
. = slightly affected
[] = strength
][ = weakness

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Ghost

Ability: Ghost works pretty much like Cold Blooded from Modern Warfare 2. You are undetectable by the Spy Plane killstreak when you have this equipped. You show up on the radar if you fire a weapon that doesn't have a silencer.

Pro Ability: Undetectable by aircraft, infrared and sentries. Enemies won't see your name or a red crosshair when targeting you.

[gillie suit]
-spy plane
-attack helicopter
. napalm strike
. mortar strike
. chopper gunner
. gunship
]black bird[

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Flack Jacket

Ability: Flak Jacket greatly reduces explosive damage and allows you to survive any indirect explosive attack. Explosive crossbow bolts are lethal if they get stuck on you and explode.

Pro Ability: Deflects fire damage and allows you to reset the fuse of a thrown grenade when you pick it up.

-frag grenade
. frag
. semtex
. napalm strike
. claymore
. rc-xd
. crossbow
. grenade launcher
. flamethrower
]stuck[

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ghost

Kill 20 enemies that have a Spy-Plane or Blackbird active
-easy (takes little time)
Shoot down 30 aircraft using a (non-killstreak) launcher
-medium (run law or strela and take out spy planes)
Destroy an enemy sentry-gun
-hard (run sentry gun and hacker, let them steal care package then take it out)

flack jacket

Survive 10 explosions while using Flak Jacket
-easy (takes time or put on hacker and run into claymores)
Plant or defuse 10 bombs in Demolition, Sabotage, or Search & Destroy
-medium (takes time or use warlord pro tac mask to spam nova gas towards bomb sites so you can safely plant or defuse.
Throw back 5 enemy frag grenades
-hard (need reaction and luck, play dom cap flags or nuketown)

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in conclusion flack jacket is great for aggressive game play while ghost is better for defensive. it is also noted that small maps are suited for flack jacket and ghost for large maps.

if i had to choose which one then here is the test...

3 killstreak
ghost is immune to spy plane while flack jacket can still be killed with rc-xd

ghost's best weakness is black bird but getting an 8 killstreak against an enemy team filled with ghost is ridiculous.

so if i had to choose one i would go with flack jacket against my better judgement reason being
that i dont have to give up ninja for hacker against claymores.

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i put alot of effort into this topic so please leave a response about which is more useful and make sure to leave a reason why... THANK YOU :P

First off, well done on the post. Quite thorough.

So, I'm not much of a Core player to be quite frank. I tend toward the Barebones playlists, which usually disallow both these perks.

BUT, when I do play Core, I'd have to say that neither perk is stronger than the other. It's all about the map, gametype, and your particular playstyle.



[TL;DR: Flak Jacket for aggressive, objective players. Ghost for flankers, aggressive or defensive.]

I don't like to think of any one perk as being stronger or more useful than any other. I believe it's all a matter of personal preference and ability to play to the perks' strengths. For me though, if I had to choose... Flak Jacket.

ghost is by far better, in call of duty, knowledge=victory, the less knowledge the enemy team has, the better chance you have of destroying their team
not to mention the basic facts that ghosts have supreme rushing capabilities and usually have the upper hand on gun fights

Used to use Ghost almost exclusively, but I've been leaning towards Flak Jacket lately. I really hate getting naded. I only use Ghost on big maps and vs good teams now.

gamemodes like gw and objective types i would use flak jacket and then ghost on team deathmatch and snd(i know its an objective but it does help me)

Flak jacket is on most of my classes except the following:

I have one anti-air class with ghost.

A hardline class if I'm running care packages so I can double tap them

A Scavenger class with my SMG's with rapid fire as they just burn ammo.

--Note the following are based on TDM

Never bought ghost, not worth it to me (full party player)
FJ was one thing I made sure I got just because it seemed I was always dying by random explosion

Now since I've decided to prestige times it's completely obvious that If you run in a full party neither perk is useful. The occasional spy plane is called in against us,napalms a tad more not often. Only real threat is a care package and it gives them a gift.

Solo on the other hand it depends. Safe route is probably Ghost and RUSHING with it. Sitting in a corner with it won't get you a positive k/d (a good one in tdm)unless you find a corner in which many many noobs just keep filtering in not knowing how to throw a nade or fire a tube/rocket.

Rushing with ghost can be devastating even against a full party if your skilled enough.

FJ is great if your not super concerned about air support and the Pro version is great for constant kill streaks your team is feeding the opponents (napalm/Rolling thunder&mortars(sometimes))

They both have their advantages. I've noticed solo players keeping stats tend to use both as defensive perks (FJ:Hiding spots in which there is only one entrance and you have a great field of vision. Ghost:Sitting in corners with silent weapons just moving around a small area)

It's the playres who use these perks as a rushing perk that are dangerous(If they have some skill at all)

but lets face it, Pub matches are more or less shit shows when in a full party against randoms even a 3 man party can absolutely destroy a party of randoms.

Scavenger Pro,SoH Pro,Tac Mask Pro FTW.

very nice post though

I much rather use flak jacket. Spy planes I counter a Counter-Spy Plane, or a Jammer, which is my usual equipment, I see it as necessary when using a shotgun like me. Capping flags is so much easier with Flak, which is good for me.

Ghost is better. (now for the explanation)

Ghost is great if you want to get a high K/D, but it's considered sort of a "cheap" perk
Flak jacket is better if you are playing for the win. It's amazing being able to take B flag with frags and Napolm falling on you.

I tend to use Flak or Scavenger in Black Ops, but I'm practicing in MW2 now and I handicap myself with scavenger.

MentalWarfar3 wrote:


Ever post up somewhere with FJ? Your invincible.
I've literally capped B on firing range before with my party climbed into the crows nest and they couldn't kill me. Unless your stuck by a semtex or crossbow you don't die and frags you throw back at the, quite easy to get a super high k/d playing defensively while using FJ you just have to be a tad more careful as your showing up on UAV's

Rushing with FJ is fun as well tripping every claymore around and just laughing at it.

people who use ghost just to stay off uav, are on cod training wheels."i need to be as close to being invisible as possible so i can get a good k/d" some even think it helps them win games. people saying they use ghost in TDM, my answer to you is just that you don't win games by being hidden from the enemy. you win those TDM games by knowing where the enemy is and by killing them, ghost has nothing to do with winning in any gamemode. all the people automatically running ghost in games do realize that a uav is only up for 45 seconds and isn't constant throughout those 45 seconds. you could run lightweight marathon, and not be accurately picked up by the uav, SMH at you ghost lovers, that perk doesn't even work against good players, flak jacket does though.

mutumbo wrote:

So it does help you win games then...at least from the logic you just stated. If everyone is running ghost then the other team in fact does NOT know where they are and therefore can not kill them.

Even if those guys aren't running silencers they are only on the radar for a few seconds. It only backfires on the ghost users if they hardly move around or stay in the exact same spot. If they move around AND have silencers well then they accomplished making the one goal you said is needed to win TDM's useless and that's the other team knowing where they are.

Sure you can call them out if they kill you but if their moving around it makes you cautious and you can't move too freely because you know a general area which is fine and dandy but having ghost and a silencer makes you invisible and if they are running ninja on top of that they are not making any noise when they are moving. You can only guess where they are so much before they kill.

Only thing that truly helps a good team against ghost users are Blackbirds and random people not wearing ghost to get a general idea of spawn/or enemy location. But if you get a uav and no one shows up your not going to run around looking for them which allows them to post up in places or flank you. It always seems like when you decide to go take a look for them a ghost player comes from behind you and shoots you.

FLAK JACKET, all the way.

Ghost doesn't always make people have high KD's.
ALOT of people use different first tier perks and have high KD's.
I only have one ghost class & it's for taking down air support, other than that I'm seen on radar all the time. Doesn't bug me though cause I always run counter uav.

TheGLORY wrote:

who said anything about knowing where the enemy is with UAV? i win games by knowing where the enemy is, i didn't say by seeing the enemy on radar. picture this, a team of six controls the b dom, top glass area of summit, they have all the entrances covered. so how is ghost useful against such a team. there are six ways to get in to the main bulding on summit if a full team covers them all, they don't need a uav to know where anyone is. ghost is rendered basically useless by a smart TDM team. even if the entire team doesn't just set up and wait on the enemy, judging off of where one's teammates are on the radar on a small map, its pretty easy to build a blackbird. a full team of good players running motion sensors and ninja pro easily counters ghost users. ghost is not very useful vs a full team of players that know spawns, choke points, traffic patterns, set ups, how to locate enemies without uav. flack jacket isn't conditional, you can use it and get the same results against any team.

mutumbo wrote:

I don't agree with this. This strategy would hurt you because it isn't a good idea to always move like a nomad. That's a great way for people to spot you and pick you off. You want to be sneaky between fights and then become HULK when the lead starts flying

MentalWarfar3 wrote:

so it isn't a good idea to move around the map? the way i move around maps makes me a hard target to spot, i move from cover to cover and am rarely out in the open. if you want to use ghost and camp in one building go ahead, but don't pretend that because you don't know how to move effectively around a map that good players don't. even if you wanted to camp in one building flack jacket and tac mask pro is better to use. you can't get naded or stunned, what can stop you?

if the perk is so great for getting a good k/d and winning tdm matches, where are the stats that prove such effectiveness ?if ghost is better for tdm or just better in general, you guys should post up you k/d's w/l's and leaderboard rankings. last time i actually played more than 5 games of tdm i got ranked 7th in the world, and thats pretty much the usual story everytime i play tdm without using ghost.

@ mentalwarfar if "You want to be sneaky between fights and then become HULK when the lead starts flying" is the way you play and it works so well, whats your tdm k/d this week?

mutumbo wrote:Sounds like you'll be screwed when they remove the camera from the forehead.

flack jacket always, of course since i only play objective gamemodes this is probeley the reason

I tend to use Flak Jacket on Nuketown nowhere else. I use Ghost Pro only if I know the enemy are going to be getting spy planes. I tend to mainly use Hardline Pro because it helps me quickly get my killstreaks up.

I use Flak Jacket only on nuketown. I use ghost for AR classes, because I also run hacker = No claymores gonna be getting me, and I barely ever get grenaded..

Flak jacket is great for small maps and if your playing aggressively. Also for playing teh objective as everyone usally nades the bomb site or flag.

Its sad but yeahh I think ghost is better. Especially ghost with hacker. just my opinion [:

When BLOPs first came out I was always a Ghost user and pretty much stayed this way until I hit about 5th prestige. After this I began playing abit more aggressive because I was almost becoming a camper using Ghost so i switched it up to Flak Jacket. Since then, i'v never looked back.

Flak Jacket is superior in my opinion for a few reasons. Ghost could be duplicated very easily, counter UAV, Jammer, Sam Turrets, Strela, using any of those things while running Flak Jacket and you effectively have ghost as well. You cant duplicate Flak Jacket

@draven26 has a good point. There are other things you can do to stay off the radar, there's not much else you can do to survive a grenade close range.

Ghost just makes me rage when I come across a 6 man party using it...

I only use Ghost in response to ghost and always play blackbird because thats the only counter to it.

Apart from that Flak Jacket all the way, especially when playing objective like demo, or dom.