.80-1 is average, I guess.

The average kd is .99 because every kill there is a death and people commit suicide

Wrath_of_Hunhau wrote:

Playing the objective is the easiest, most effortless thing someone can do. ANYONE CAN JUMP ON A FLAG. ANYONE CAN RUN ACROSS THE MAP WITH A FLAG. ANYONE CAN PLANT A BOMB. However there are very few good slayers out there, and no, you guys with 1 KDs wouldn't have 3 KDs "if you didn't play for the objective." That's just used a scapegoat for bad players. I play the objective when needed and slay when I can, and I'm pretty decent at it.

Seriously, why do people think playing the objective takes any sort of skill (unless you do it by yourself, as in you clear out an entire team protecting a bomb, but that goes back to being a good slayer).

ANYONE CAN RUN THE OBJECTIVE.

i have a 2.30 K/D and i hop on a flag when i need to and plant the bomb when it requires me to. I play somewhat defensively but not camping by any means. I base my play off of a combination of SeaNanners, WingsOfRedemption, TheMarkOf, and ThunderToro. I feel i am a strong player.

I could easily hold a 2.75 if i had a better connection. I feel i lose many close range gunfights because of it. >_>

DTLA Ghost wrote:
I was referring to how some people on youtube just run with good players that get them wins but they can only slay they suck and dont even understand the freaking basics on how to win objective game types. Them players r out there. If you havent seen them you would have a good KdR your self. Also just because you play against people with lower skills then you dont make you good in my book. Look at MLG Halo players for this info. They pwn in pubs but can easily be out played if they played against a equal player
Kdr doesnt mean nothing really. Some of my best teammates run a 1.5ish KdR those are the ones I like to play with because they dont mind doing what it takes to win.

there are so many variables to acount for.
For example - If two people of exactly equal skill were in these 2 situations.

Person #1 - Plays in a party and only plays ground war. camps and whores out air supoort.

Person #2 - Plays alone in SnD with Spy Plane, Counter Spy Plane and Napalm Strike.

They are the same skill, but obviously Person #1 would have a higher KDR

AmusingInsanity wrote:

Sorry but what's your point?

To the OP ...

Average is by definition 1 or .99 if you factor in suicide deaths. If even the best players have a KD of 1 when playing players of their own ability then everyone should seek to have a KD of 1. Once it gets too high then it's a sign that you need to look for greater challenges or stop looking at your KD (or WL) as anything other than an amusing statistic. Leagues in COD are a voluntary system. Anyone can find crap players to play against and stack the odds in their favour by being on an organised team vs randoms. You can dip in and out of them as you see fit. Where's the sense of achievement in face rolling all night long? Those that complain that their KD or WL is x when it should be y should realise how meaningless it is once it goes above a certain level.

To use a sports analogy, KD = points differential. An average NBA team will have a KD and a WL of 1.0 but they will still be one of the best teams in the world because they're in the best league in the world. They won't ever troll lower leagues just to buff their stats. The Harlem Globe Trotters have very high WL and KD ratios but they are essentially pub stomping montage hunters playing against randoms and/or generally poor teams. Who do you respect more? The Harlem Globe Trotters (all time WL record of 33) or the Phoenix Suns (currently with 8 wins and 8 loses this year).

'Average' is relative.

Charlotte_Corday wrote: Perfectly said.

The "average" k/d is slightly below one (accounting for suicides, teamkills, and such). I'd say a decent k/d is above 1.5.

I don't really care for KD to much but playing the objective usually gets you an average KD. Mines 1.36 and I play the obj in mostly every game.

Good for you, don't matter how you get the k/d i still got it.

depends on the game type - if its anything other than TDM or FFA it doesn't matter. TDM KD good is higher then 2

1.00KD - Well below average.
1.5KD - Scrub
2.0KD - Average.
2.5KD - OK, I guess.
3.0KD - Kinda good
3.5KD - Good
4.0KD - Camper.
4.5KD - 1337 Optic Quikscoper

average: 1
good: 2+

JTizl wrote:

2 is definately no average, i check alot of players in the lobbies im in and barely any of them have a 2kd

Vladie wrote:Oops. I meant you get a better K/D playing with a team, not more kills. My bad.

I've watched a lot of xJawz's videos (long time subscriber) and he's not the type of aggressive player I'm referring to. I'm talking SandyRavage or hell, even xSocrates aggression.

DTLA Ghost wrote:2.0 isn't good because you camped in a corner.

What the hell does that have to do with my examples?
Also, plenty of people can hold 3.0's without playing defensively or camping, and those people are awesome. I love watching people like that. But telling me you have a 3.0 K/D doesn't matter because you could have camped or you could have played aggressively. It's a toss-up. I wasn't picking at any specific K/D. My point is that there's so many styles of gameplay out there that someone with a 3.0 K/D that plays defensively could easily be worse than someone with a 2.0 K/D that rushes his balls off.
The point of my statements just flew right over your head.

WoR is one of the campiest "good" youtube players out there. I've always wondered why he has so many subscribers when not only is he complete trash, but he's an asshole as well. And of course he's got a good K/D even though he plays the objective. Have you seen his teammates? Half the time he needn't worry about being killed because he has people like xJawz or FPSRussia backing him up.


But I will admit I didn't word my thoughts well. xJawz sits around a lot in his matches. He's good because he's smart and he has a good shot, but I doubt he could ever be as aggressive as someone like Sandy. And that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about SandyRavage-type rushing. There are too many people to count that have K/D's above a 3.0. It's nothing special. Without video-evidence of aggressive gameplay, I don't take anyone's K/D claims seriously.

It's irritating when people put their K/D in their signature on this site like it means anything.

Also, I do think you were trying to be snobbish and condescending when you posted your K/D, because there is no other reason other than that to post your K/D (personal testimony really means nothing). Also, you had previously claimed it was easy to be aggressive and get a 3.0. I've never seen anyone besides Sandy do it.

WaitV8 wrote:

I play by myself a lot and don't camp yet I still have a 3+ kd, your post is wrong. I hate when people say that you need to camp or not play the objective to get a good k/d, it's just wrong and if the people that say these things were better they'd know.

On topic, average K/D would be 0.99 or something, because for every kill there has to be a death but there are also suicides. A good k/d imo is 2+ but everything over 1,5 is decent.

I didn't mean you NEED to camp to get a 3.0 K/D. Read my other posts.


These ignorant, snobby posts are getting annoying.

Also, I'm going to state my position in one post to clear everything up.



I don't care what your K/D is because you could have camped, played defensively, played aggressively, or just all-out rushed the entire match. I don't know what some guy did to get his 4.0 K/D so I'm not impressed by it.

It takes above-average skill to maintain a 3.0 K/D while playing aggressively.
Yes, but I'm not impressed (don't like my opinion don't read it ;]). Don't just merely play aggressive, but push so much that you're almost never stopping. You're always running around and you're dropping players left and right. Maintain a 3.0 doing that and then I'll be impressed (ie. be SandyRavage).


If you camp, play defensively, or play a little bit aggressively, I don't care. You're not impressive.


Stop shooting for that 3.0 K/D if you don't regularly record and post your gameplay on youtube. Nobody that is smart gives a shit.

WaitV8 wrote:

You want some cheese with that whine? I only read your original post which was poorly worded.

HoboC0mmander wrote:Right, which I corrected.

Doesn't make sense to make a comment on a post that already has replies to it.

EDIT: Also, if I'm whining, so?
EDIT2: And I change my mind. I worded it poorly but it was intentional. I was sure people wouldn't interpret it as literally as they did.

Wrath_of_Hunhau wrote:

Really dude? We're fucking talking about pubs here, since you know KD is a reflection of your Kill Death ratio in PUBS. I'll take a team of 3 KD players over a team of 1.2 KD players any day, and if any of the 3 KD players don't play the object WHEN IT IS NECESSARY OF THEM then I can just kick em. If you have an entire team of people with good gunskill (good slayers), objective game mode wins come naturally as well.

Slaying requires more skill than capturing Objectives (which requires no skill at all), my friend who's never played call of duty can walk up-to a flag and prone. If everyone on your team can slay you know that your team has the ability to both slay and play the objective, and it's just a matter of actually going for the objective WHEN IT IS NECESSARY, even if it might get you a death or two.

2+ KD =/= Camper/KD Whore
-1.5 KD =/= Good/Objective Player

WaitV8 wrote:

2.5 isn't good because you camped to get it.

3.0 isn't good because you've been playing with a good party which enables you to get more kills.

1.2 isn't bad because you played against a bunch of good teams on the Demolition playlist.

I don't understand how the point flew over my head. You didn't say "could" or "maybe" in any of those sentences. You simply made ignorant assertions.

Also, I'm 99.99% I never said that it's easy to be aggressive and get a 3.0 KD, because I don't believe that. Yeah I didn't..