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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 12 months ago #700198

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g0ggy wrote:
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Get it straight. The problem isn't the game, it's the damn community. I enjoyed MW3 when it first came out. Now I don't even have the game most of the time, I just give it to my friends. If the community wasn't a bunch of dicks and little kids then we wouldn't have a problem :/


That's it in a nutshell, maybe a very biased,one sided look at it nutshell which plays on a stereotype that all CoD players are 'dicks' and 'little kids' (not really the case) but yeah overall a pretty good summation.

But yeah I agree I think it's how WEplay the game not just the game itself. At its best CoD is a unique blend of teamwork and quick thinking. At its worst its a clusterfuck of claymores and kill whores. Its unfortunate you have to have 5 of your mates on at the same time as you to get the most out of it.

As soon as the majority of the community sees w/lr as an the primary indicator of skill and not k/dr, I think we'll all enjoy it more. Although I already know most people on Hupit are much more team orientated than the majority so I guess I'm preaching to the converted.


First off I disagree with the quoted part of yours. It can't be that only the community is doing everything wrong. Is using FMG9 akimbos wrong when they are one of the most powerful weapon in close range gun fights? Why is it a dick move to use that weapon? Why would it be a stupid move to use noob tubes OMA/DC in MW2 when they are so effective? I don't get it why people think that a certain set up that is exploited is the fault of the community or even the commentators who spread the word of that set up. No both the community and the devs are the reason why the game is what it is. Why should I not use Type95 Akimbo FMG9 Assasin Blind Eye Dead Silence when it is one of the most effective set ups you can come up. The devs should think about balance in the first place.

Secondly the W/L ratio is as bad of a indicator of skill as K/D is. We had this topic 1 million times so I won't start it here. If you can't think of arguments for it being a bad indicator of skill then try to think a little bit more.
I'd like to see people rather play for the W and not for their kills, but CoD is rewarding slayers in the first hand and team players only get shit stomped due to revenge instant spawns. CoD is supporting the mentality of "fuck the objective and play for the kills it is much more fun to play like this anyway" when a game actually shouldn't be played like this.

More on topic : Do I think the game will be a good game? No, I don't consider CoD as a good FPS franchise. Is it going to be a good CoD? I could think so. The game has potential as I said many times even as a game it has potential not only as a CoD, but let's be honest CoD won't change that much. Vonderhaar and his team will do an okay job with Blops 2 if they aren't told otherwise by Activision.


Yeah I think the truth lies somehwere in the middle of our too arguements, either way I feel the same way as UDP7, too many other good games too spend time worriying about CoD

Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 2 weeks ago #707080

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lmao agreed

Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 2 weeks ago #707139

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lmao agreed


With who, because if its with OP then omfg -__-
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 2 weeks ago #707241

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MW3 at its prime: OMG we want change cod is stale.

June: OMG black ops two will suck im going to play MW3. Black ops 2 is going to be too different. We want the same call of duty!
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 2 weeks ago #707827

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Over the years I've watched the snowball accumulate after the avalanche.

It is said that COD4 is the best game that came out from the franchise. This is because there was no community. A community was built in the game and the enjoyment was brought without complaints, just sheer enjoyment of doing well and speaking to others. A friendly competition.

After MW2 boom, commentators sky rocketed in YouTube for the thirst of knowledge and improvement in the game's multiplayer. This is where others, including myself, learned tactics others might have not known and made everyone much more competitive. This also brought forth the idea of being a "sore-loser." Unfairness and the broken game mechanics were exposed and others were effected by it. We complained, spoke to others online, and made this a public announcement for others to see. Yet we kept going, awaiting the new arrival of the series to be our Messiah from the ruins.

This is where everything came down with a roaring thunder. The Call Of Duty series shall never be a pure child it has once was for our self pleasure, rather it's broken down and bastardized by those who considerably acts on it for improvement when all it does is wants to make you happy. Indeed, happiness has evolved into wealth for the game, but to us it gives us more of a reason to hate this child that we raised.

Black Ops 2 will come out, hoping to end out "anger" with MW3. I assure you that it will not but we will attempt to dip our feet and see for ourselves.

I long await for purity, once more.

For the sake of relaxed commentary, for those to communicate with each other without hatred and masochism over a foolish game and to enjoy themselves.

Someday, people will shed more ideas to be themselves rather than having a game dictate their every word in their videos, for the public to see, and for the public to continue to chant.

I long await that day, once more.

Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 2 weeks ago #707880

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it wont fail, black ops2 has kill streaks.
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 2 weeks ago #707891

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Photoshop wrote:

It is said that COD4 is the best game that came out from the franchise. This is because there was no community.

Well, I wouldn't quite say that, although that theory has a lot of mileage now, since CoD 4 is riddled with hackers.

What you seem to be suggesting though is that a game with a community surrounding it ruins said game.
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 1 week ago #709215

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Black Ops 2 won't fail. I think treyarch actually puts time and effort into their Call of Duty games.

Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 1 week ago #709234

I don't personally think that Black Ops 2 will 'fail'. The only way that it could possibly fail is if they innovate with the Multiplayer too much. Mind you, this could even be a positive . . . I think the Zombies mode is going to get even more complex and detailed than in the original Black Ops. Also the Campaign sounds like it's going to take a 'Heavy Rain' approach, all your actions can determine the outcome of the overall story. For once this actually makes me want the play the Campaign of a Call Of Duty game.

By the way, I'm not sure if the "No fanboy's please" part in the implies that positive opinions about Black Ops 2 aren't welcome.
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 1 week ago #709241

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So your opinion is that because previous versions had flaws everyone that has yet to come will be flawed and "fail"?

Judging by the amount of CoD sold even those "failures" are actually quite a success.
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 1 week ago #709293

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Judging by the amount of CoD sold even those "failures" are actually quite a success.


There is a reason why people play CoD day after day . . .because it's so addictive and because of the levelling up and prestiging system.
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 1 week ago #709297

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After the poor showing by the remainder of IW, Treyarch will actually only need to make an above average game to make it much more successful by comparison
The last time this series made a major change, it was a very good one, that being moving cod to modern times with cod 4.
By moving it into a very futuristic setting, they may be able to revitalise the series more, and make another big change that moves the series forward.
either that or they'll make black ops with ewoks and it'll fail.
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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 11 months, 1 week ago #710069

I really hope it doesn't suck. you're right though, it probably will. I haven't fully enjoyed a CoD game since 4.

Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 10 months ago #724593

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Actually you think you're right but not completely. I think CoD is the biggest most overrated piece of crap going, just because people bum it. I liked Modern Warfare. World at war was ok. After that.... crap. I borrowed Modern Warfare 2 from a mate, hated it, and never played CoD again... the sad reality is, they won't stop. They've drained WWII so they did something different with Modern day war. Now they ruined that, they moved onto another war (the cold war) and ruined that. So there's only one more direction to go... the future. What are they going to do after they've destroyed that genre as well? Space Warefare? Aliens? God knows.... They've already done zombies and the moon. The thing is, there's other games out there worth playing a lot more that CoD. Games that have actually had a fragment of thought put into them. I will be buying those. So no, people that rant about it don't usually buy it. You just wish they did.

Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 6 months, 1 week ago #759202

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I would say SLB will die or well the shitty randoms will be still on slb
So good bye quick scoping as usual
When I saw black ops 2 was taken place in the future i said fuck you

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Re: Why blackops 2 is going to fail (No fanboy's please) 6 months, 1 week ago #759876

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So long as they keep to the basic formula that it's has, CoD will never fail. And I think Activision knows this. The ease of play for all ages; 40yr olds to 8yr old squeakers. Just enough of a learning curve to make you feel accomplished. Quickly earned and tangible rewards. The immediate gratification for the casual gamer and more advanced tactics for the advanced gamers. All of that adds up to one of the most enjoyable and playable franchises of all time. There may be cosmetics tweaks and a bit of innovation to keep it fresh, but you'll notice that they never screw with the core principles.

Other games like this:
-Mario
-Final Fantasy
-Counterstrike
-Streetfighter

So long as they stick to this, CoD will be successful.



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